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Who is the Him in Daniel ­11:36-45


Preface


Daniel­ 11:36

Introduction


Daniel­ 11:36

According
To His Will


Daniel­ 11:36

The Exalted One


Daniel­ 11:36

Revelation 11 Proof


Daniel­ 11:36

Prosper No More


Daniel­ 11:37

God of his Fathers


Daniel­ 11:37

Desire of Women


Daniel­ 11:38

God of Forces


Daniel­ 11:39

Divide the Land
for Gain


Daniel­ 11:39

Twin Brothers


Daniel­ 11:40

Time of the End


Daniel­ 11:40

Spiritually or Literally


Daniel­ 11:40

He, Him, His


Daniel­ 11:40

Prophecy vs Prophecy


Daniel­ 11:40

Fulfillment


Daniel­ 11:40

Questioning Why


Daniel­ 11:41

Edom, Moab,
& Ammon


Daniel­ 11:42

Egypt Shall
Not Escape


Daniel­ 11:43

He shall have
Power


Daniel­ 11:44

Troubled Times


Daniel­ 11:45

The Tabernacles
of his Palace






Bible Papacy France/Atheism/King Of The South America Satanism Jesuits
Bible EGW
Bible EGW
Bible EGW
Bible EGW
Bible EGW
the king shall do according to his will Not Yet
Yes
EGW

Ellen White - {GC88 268.3}

In many of the nations of Europe the powers that ruled in Church and State had for centuries been controlled by Satan, through the medium of the papacy. But here is brought to view a new manifestation of Satanic power. {GC88 268.3}



Yes No No
he shall exalt himself
Yes
Daniel 11:14
2 Thess 2:3-4
Yes
EGW

Ellen White - GC 446.1

The special characteristic of the beast, and therefore of his image, is the breaking of God's commandments. Says Daniel, of the little horn, the papacy: "He shall think to change times and the law." Daniel 7:25, R.V. And Paul styled the same power the "man of sin," who was to exalt himself above God. One prophecy is a complement of the other. Only by changing God's law could the papacy exalt itself above God;

No
 
 
Yes
EGW

Ellen White - SDA Bible Commentary, vol. 1 - (Manuscript 3, 1885)

Those who exalt their own ideas above the plainly specified will of God, are saying as did Pharaoh, "Who is the Lord, that I should obey His voice?

No  
 
 
No
Yes
Is 14:13
 
Yes
EGW

Ellen White - {DA 283.4}

Satan was seeking to exalt himself and to draw men away from Christ, and he worked to pervert the Sabbath, because it is the sign of the power of Christ.

 
No
 
 
No
EGW

Ellen White - {Lt85-1899.}

The inclination that is manifested by those who claim to be educators, to exalt and extol learned men, is foolishness in the sight of God. Paul declares,

And magnify himself above every god
Yes
Dan 8:25
 
No
No  
 
 
No  
No  
 
 
No  
No  
 
 
Yes
EGW

Ellen White - {1888 75.2}

Satan's work was to magnify his power constantly.

No  
 
 
No
Shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods
Yes
Daniel 7:25
 
Yes
EGW

Ellen White - {DA 763.1 & Lt 132, 1902, par. 12}

Of the great apostate power which is the representative of Satan, it is declared, "He shall speak great words against the Most High, and shall wear out the saints of the Most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand." Daniel 7:25.
The law for the observance of the first day of the week is the production of an apostate Christendom. Sunday is a child of the papacy, exalted by the Christian world above the sacred day of God's rest. In no case are God's people to pay it homage.

Yes
Ex 5:2
 
Yes
EGW

Ellen White - SDA Bible Commentary, vol. 1 - (Manuscript 3, 1885)

Those who exalt their own ideas above the plainly specified will of God, are saying as did Pharaoh, "Who is the Lord, that I should obey His voice?

Yes
Rev 13:14-15
 
Yes
EGW

Ellen White - {GC88 443.2}

In order for the United States to form an image of the beast, the religious power must so control the civil government that the authority of the State will also be employed by the church to accomplish her own ends.

Yes
Is 14:13-14
 
Yes
EGW

Ellen White - {DD 2.2}

Lucifer came to indulge a desire for self-exaltation. "Thou hast set thine heart as the heart of God." "Thou hast said,... I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation....

No  
 
 
No
And shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.
Yes
Rev 17:16-18
Rev 14:9-10
Yes
EGW

Ellen White - {2TT 369.3}

Satan is working to the utmost to make himself as God and to destroy all who oppose his power. And today the world is bowing before him. His power is received as the power of God. The prophecy of the Revelation is being fulfilled, that "all the world wondered after the beast." Revelation 13:3.

Yes
Ps 14:1-3
 
Yes
EGW

Ellen White - {GC88 276.4}

It was popery that had begun the work which atheism was completing.

Yes
Rev 13:11-12
Rev 13:16
Yes
EGW

Ellen White - {GC 578.3}

It has been shown that the United States is the power represented by the beast with lamblike horns, and that this prophecy will be fulfilled when the United States shall enforce Sunday observance, which Rome claims as the special acknowledgment of her supremacy.

No
Rev 20:7-8
 
Yes
EGW

Ellen White - {DA 341.1}

The encounter with the demoniacs of Gergesa had a lesson for the disciples. It showed the depths of degradation to which Satan is seeking to drag the whole human race, and the mission of Christ to set men free from his power. Those wretched beings, dwelling in the place of graves, possessed by demons, in bondage to uncontrolled passions and loathsome lusts, represent what humanity would become if given up to satanic jurisdiction.

Kinda
Rev 18:23
Kinda
EGW

Ellen White - {DA 341.1}

Those possessed with devils are usually represented as being in a condition of great suffering; yet there were exceptions to this rule. For the sake of obtaining supernatural power, some welcomed the satanic influence. These of course had no conflict with the demons. Of this class were those who possessed the spirit of divination,-Simon Magus, Elymas the sorcerer, and the damsel who followed Paul and Silas at Philippi.


 
Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers
Yes
Dan 7:23-25
Yes
EGW

Ellen White - {GC88 82.1}

Thus did the papal leaders, like the Pharisees of old, make the commandment of God of none effect by their tradition.


 
No Yes
EGW

Ellen White - {GC 269.4}

This prophecy has received a most exact and striking fulfillment in the history of France. During the Revolution, in 1793, "the world for the first time heard an assembly of men, born and educated in civilization, and assuming the right to govern one of the finest of the European nations, uplift their united voice to deny the most solemn truth which man's soul receives, and renounce unanimously the belief and worship of a Deity."


 
No Yes
EGW

Ellen White - {GC 269.4}

The great principle so nobly advocated by Robinson and Roger Williams, that truth is progressive, that Christians should stand ready to accept all the light which may shine from God's Holy Word, was lost sight by their descendants.


 
No Kinda
EGW

Ellen White - {7BC 974.7}

Through yielding to satanic influences, men will be transformed into fiends; and those who were created in the image of God, who were formed to honor and glorify their Creator, will become the habitation of dragons, and Satan will see in an apostate race his masterpiece of evil-men who reflect his own image


 
No Kinda
EGW

Ellen White - {7BC 974.7}

Through yielding to satanic influences, men will be transformed into fiends; and those who were created in the image of God, who were formed to honor and glorify their Creator, will become the habitation of dragons, and Satan will see in an apostate race his masterpiece of evil-men who reflect his own image


 
Nor the desire of women,
Kinda &
Depends
Rev 11:8
Kinda
EGW

Ellen White - {7BC 974.7}

Houses of prostitution, dens of vice, criminal courts, prisons, almshouses, insane asylums, hospitals, all are, to a great degree, filled as a result of the liquor seller's work. Like the mystic Babylon of the Apocalypse, he is dealing in "slaves, and souls of men.


 
Kinda
Jude 1:4
Yes
EGW

Ellen White - {GC88 269.2 & 270.1 & {4SP 192.1}

This is atheism; and the nation represented by Egypt would give voice to a similar denial of the claims of the living God, and would manifest a like spirit of unbelief and defiance. The "great city" is also compared, "spiritually," to Sodom. The corruption of Sodom in breaking the law of God was especially manifested in licentiousness. And this sin was also to be a pre-eminent characteristic of the nation that should fulfill the specifications of this scripture.

And the historian presents together the atheism and licentiousness of France, as it is given in the prophecy: "Intimately connected with these laws affecting religion was that which reduced the union of marriage - the most sacred engagement which human beings can form, and the permanence of which leads most strongly to the consolidation of society.

France arose an atheistical power that openly declared war against the authority of Heaven. Men threw off all restraint. The law of God was trampled under foot. Those who could engage in the most Heaven-daring blasphemy and the most abominable wickedness were most highly exalted. Fornication was sanctioned by law. Profanity and corruption seemed deluging the earth. In all this, supreme homage was paid to Satan, while Christ, in his characteristics of truth, purity, and unselfish love, was crucified.


 
No
Yes
EGW

Ellen White - . {CH 487.1}

Though our large cities are fast reaching a condition similar to the condition of the world before the Flood, though they are as Sodom for wickedness, yet there are in them many honest souls who, as they listen to the startling truths of the advent message, will feel the conviction of the Spirit. New York is ready to be worked. In that great city the message of truth will be given with the power of God. The Lord calls for workmen. He calls upon those who have gained an experience in the cause to take up and carry forward in His fear the work to be done in New York and in other large cities of America. He calls also for means to be used in this work.


EGW

Ellen White - {RH December 17, 1895, par. 4}

Those who study the history of the Israelites should also consider the history of the slaves in America......
The condition of the colored people is no more helpless than was the condition of the Hebrew slaves. The children of Israel were addicted to licentiousness, idolatry, gluttony, and gross vices. This is ever the result of slavery.

 
 
 
Yes
EGW

Ellen White - {PP 156.2}

There is nothing more desired among men than riches and leisure, and yet these gave birth to the sins that brought destruction upon the cities of the plain. Their useless, idle life made them a prey to Satan's temptations, and they defaced the image of God, and became satanic rather than divine.

 
 
 
Nor regard any god
Yes
2 Thes 2:3-4
   
No    
Yes
EGW

Ellen White - {Ms115-1894.}

The Pope of Rome has opposed and exalted himself above all that is called God or that is worshipped so that he sits in the temple of God showing himself that he is God. He has taken to himself the title of Lord God the pope, but the people who consent to this usurpation of God's title, are certainly greatly deluded


 
Yes;  
EGW

Ellen White - { {GC88 270.1}}

France stands apart in the world's history as the single State which, by the decree of her legislative assembly, pronounced that there was no God, and of which the entire population of the capital, and a vast majority elsewhere, women as well as men, danced and sang with joy in accepting the announcement.

 
 
 
   
   
For he shall magnify himself above all.
Yes
Dan 8:25
2 Thes 2:3-4
Yes;  
EGW

Ellen White - { {GC88 270.1}}

The prophetic declaration that the Papacy was to exalt itself above all that is called God

No Kinda
EGW

Ellen White - {GC88 274.3}

With blasphemous boldness almost beyond belief, one of the priests of the new order said: "God, if you exist, avenge your injured name. I bid you defiance! You remain silent. You dare not launch your thunders! Who, after this, will believe in your existence?" What an echo is this of the Pharaoh's demand: "Who is Jehovah, that I should obey his voice?" "I know not Jehovah!" {GC88 274.3}


 

For the Atheistic crowd this god below has already been defined as reason.
If you say the above is the Papacy, I'm not sure who they say this god is, I would have to go back and see what many came up with.
For me and my studies, since you could go many directions I ended up going with Satan himself.
This puts the timeline way out by doing this.
For it is not until Satan personates Christ that we could see this part of Daniel 11 fulfilled.
So depending on the god you come up with might change the timeline for the Papal side here.
I'm going with Satan but maybe I will learn more later.
In his estate shall he honour the God of forces.
Yes
Job 1:16
Yes
EGW

Ellen White - {GC88 589.2}

Satan works through the elements also to garner his harvest of unprepared souls. He has studied the secrets of the laboratories of nature, and he uses all his power to control the elements as far as God allows.
While appearing to the children of men as a great physician who can heal all their maladies, he will bring disease and disaster, until populous cities are reduced to ruin and desolation. Even now he is at work. In accidents and calamities by sea and by land, in great conflagrations, in fierce tornadoes and terrific hail-storms, in tempests, floods, cyclones, tidal waves, and earthquakes, in every place and in a thousand forms, Satan is exercising his power.


 
No    Yes
EGW

Ellen White - {GC88 229.3}

A solemn oath to extirpate heresy was taken, in the great cathedral where, nearly three centuries later, the "Goddess of Reason" was to be enthroned by a nation that had forgotten the living God. Again the procession formed, and the representatives of France set out to begin the work which they had sworn to do.


 
Not sure who this god is
But the U.S. is becoming
a Tyrant.
You could also say Jesuits
do things by force.
A god whom his fathers knew not
shall he honour with gold, and silver,
and with precious stones,
and pleasant things.
Yes
Mat 24:23-24
EGW

Ellen White - {CE 102.1}

It is a sad fact that men who have been entrusted with fine capabilities to be employed in the service of God, have prostituted their powers in the service of evil, and laid their talents at the feet of the enemy. They submitted in the most servile bondage to the prince of evil, while rejecting the service of Christ as humiliating and undesirable.


 
 
 
Yes
Rev 11:10
Yes
EGW

Ellen White - {GC88 274.2}

And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth." Infidel France had silenced the reproving voice of God's two witnesses. The Word of truth lay dead in her streets, and those who hated the restrictions and requirements of God's law were jubilant.


 
 
Yes
Rev 13:12
 
 
 
 
Thus shall he do
in the most strong holds
with a strange god,
whom he shall acknowledge
and increase with glory:
Yes
Rev 13:4   
Yes
EGW

Ellen White - {DD 41.4 - DD 29.3}

Now the great deceiver will make it appear that Christ has come. In different parts of the earth, Satan will manifest himself among men as a majestic being of dazzling brightness, resembling the description of the Son of God given by John in the Revelation. Revelation 1:13-15. The glory that surrounds him is unsurpassed by anything that mortal eyes have yet beheld.
When the standard of righteousness is set aside, the way is open for the prince of evil to establish his power in the earth.


 
 
 
No     Yes
EGW

Ellen White - {MTC 182.2}

The pursuit of wealth and pleasure engrosses the attention of the people. Atheism is popular. Eating and drinking, dancing and merry-making, are the subjects of thought and conversation. There are many large and beautiful churches; but the people, like some of the Athenians, are worshiping an unknown God.


 
 
 

This next text I get confused on.
For where in all of these verses were we ever talking about "Them".
Looking up the Hebrew word I do agree "Them" is applied.
From verse 36 on the word He, Him, or His has always pointed to the same power.
And at this time we only have two parties.
1. The King of Daniel 11:36 and 2. The Strange God
So to me it looks like we either have a third party or "Them" must be applied to either the King or the Strange God.
Here is the actual verse.

Thus shall he do in the most strong holds with a strange god, whom he shall acknowledge and increase with glory: and he shall cause them to rule over many, and shall divide the land for gain.


I would like to think of the verse like this.


Thus shall he do in the most strong holds with a strange god, whom he shall acknowledge and increase with glory which shall cause them to rule over many, and shall divide the land for gain.


That way you could say that the Strange God or Satan would cause "Them" the Papacy to rule over many.
But the way it looks it should be the other way around.
It would read like this. That the Papacy would cause "Them" or Satan to rule over many.
Since Satan is one being that don't fit well.
So since I can't explain Satan as "Them" I am turning this around and will explain it the other way.
And he shall cause them
to rule over many,
and shall divide the land for gain.
Yes
Rev 13:2
 
Yes
EGW

Ellen White - {Ms 16, 1884, par. 3}

Here it was [that] the masterly effort of Satan would have deceived the very elect. But who were the ones blessed by him? Whom did he make glad? Whom did he honor?...The blessing is pronounced by this false christ upon the worshipers of the beast and his image, [the people] who have received the mark of the beast and the mark of the image of the beast.

No
Yes
EGW

Ellen White - {Ms 16, 1884, par. 3 & Ms90-1897}

So it is today. Men are rushing on in the chase for gain and selfish indulgence as if there were no God, no heaven, and no hereafter.
God's loyal and faithful children are found in a world where atheist and worldly religionists abound, a world that ever since the day when Cain lifted up his hand against Abel has rejected every provision that heaven has made to restore the moral image of God in man.


 


From here on depends on the timeline you are in.
Many believe the King Of The South is the Atheistic power which now turns into China.
Most believe the North is the Papacy and the two battle.
While others believe the North is Russia and unites with the South or China and comes against HIM the Papacy.
For me I don't think were here yet so it's hard to speculate but I take it more spiritual than literal.
The Pope has already made his whirlwind visit and has made clear what he expects.
Any nations not following orders will reap the whirlwind.


[40] And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over.
[41] He shall enter also into the glorious land, and many countries shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon.
[42] He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape.
[43] But he shall have power over the treasures of gold and of silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt: and the Libyans and the Ethiopians shall be at his steps.
[44] But tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him: therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many.
[45] And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.


future fulfillment.

Ellen White - TM 112.3

The light that Daniel received from God was given especially for these last days. The visions he saw by the banks of the Ulai and the Hiddekel, the great rivers of Shinar, are now in process of fulfillment, and all the events foretold will soon come to pass.